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I've actually been working on my car the past month :wtf: Oh My God! Can you believe it? Well I blew the motor back in Feb so I guess it's about fucking time and of course I decided to wait until the middle of the damn summer when it's 100* outside lol.

Looks like my built motor died a horrible death due to the wrist pin issue some of the early production wiseco pistons were known to have. Basically looks like the rod pulled the wrist pin right out of the bottom of the piston and then proceeded to jackhammer the hell out of the block. And that NEVER ends well. Time for some carnage pics. Ouch! 8)

Front of the block:
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Rear of the block:
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That kind of shit right there ^ leads to this type shit right here:
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Block was totally trashed (obviously) and 2 of the 3 remaining pistons have stress cracks around the wristpin "retaining" area. The crank, rods bearings and main bearings all looked good. So did the cylinders, the car rarely ever registered knock (e85) and there aren't any indications of detonation on the piston crowns or the spark plugs. The only thing I can think is the piston failed. I was able to salvage 2 out of the 4 eagle rods, which kind of pisses me off, but it is what it is. Crank actually looks good but I wouldn't think of running it until it was completely checked over by my machine shop.

Well I pulled the head and thankfully everything appeared to be alright. Plan was to get by with just a resurface and throw it back on the new motor, well no such luck. Had three exhaust valves that weren't sealing on the number 1 and number 4 cylinders. Well, at least that explains why my motor had such low compression before it died. I dropped the head off at the machine shop last weekend for a valve job, surfacing, cleaning and pressure test. Come to find out the exhaust valve guides are all pretty shot so it's getting a new set of guides too.

On to the "new" motor... I bought Hugo's (boosting_laser) spare 6 bolt long block for $100 and I plan on running the piss out of it until it dies. Hopefully it will stay together long enough to make a few mid 10 second passes.

Progress/plans for the motor so far:
    Pulled head, cleaned deck
    *Going to run a MLS with my L19 head studs to seal it up
    *Cylinders and pistons look to be in great shape, thanks Hugo

    Pulled two rod caps to check the rod bearings and they look great, no excessive wear or scoring.

    Oil pump gears were galling the hell out of the case so I used the pump/case from my motor since it's in good shape and 100% oem. Took it apart and cleaned the hell out of it in case there was any trash from the failure.

    Used oem water pump off my dead motor. Only had about 10,000 miles on it so it'll work fine.

    Same deal with the timing components, all oem and from my dead motor. Picked up a new gates timing belt for $26 from rockauto.

    Bought a lower gasket set from the parts dinosaur and installed the oil pump w/new seals, water pump and a new rear main seal.

What's left to do:

    Pay for the machine work to the head (around $200).

    Install the head with the new MLS and L19's

    Install cams and timing components

    My oil pan was destroyed when the motor blew so I need to weld a new -12 bung to the pan for my oil return.

    Bolt on my Forrester intake manifold and all the other peripheries and put it back in the car!

    I'm also planning on doing a minor wire tuck/harness relocation while the motor's out.

    Gotta wire up my Crane Fireball ignition

    Make a bracket and reloacte my coil pack and ignition module.

    Possibly going to relocate my battery to the trunk with a kill switch in trunk key hole.

Ehh, lots of work left to do and I'm sure I'm leaving lots of stuff out. There will be lots of beer to consume and cuss words to scream along the way haha :drinkers:

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Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:28 pm
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Some parts waiting to be installed:

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Edit: Minus the A1000 pump, I just sold that the other day. I'm running a dual fuel pump setup already.

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wow what mayhem :wtf: can wait to see it in action at the track :munch:
If you need a hand I don't know much tho lmao but I want to learn more so when I come to problems I can deal with them lol I have beer :drinkers:


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Dustins car is beast. I gotta set up a dyno day and see this thing run.

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Illeagle wrote:
Dustins car is beast. I gotta set up a dyno day and see this thing run.

:drinkers: ill bring the beer but yea we should have a dyno day maybe when it cools down

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Well I've been making some progress the past couple weeks. I just got my head out of the machine shop and I'm getting ready to drop in on the short block. Complete valvejob, all new guides, new stem seals, resurfaced and pressure tested.

Stock sized stainless steel valves, crower srpings/retainers:
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Stock 6 bolt short block with 2g oil pickup. In case you didn't know, the 2g oil pickup tube works fine on a 6 bolt and it doesn't have that stupid bracket that bolts to the stock main bolt:

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Came across a nice deal on a freshly rebuilt 6 blade hx40 through a friend of mine this past sunday 8-12-2012. Picked up this jewel for $200, no way I could pass up that deal:

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Yup looking good been waiting for you to come join me in the staging lanes. Keep up the good work and dodge this heat it's killer out here in the IE gosh wish I was living closer to the coast

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50trimanic wrote:
dodge this heat it's killer out here in the IE gosh wish I was living closer to the coast


Hell yeah it has been man. I was out in the garage doing a couple things last night at 10pm and I was still sweating! I'm over this shit already.. thank god I got a pool to jump in and cool off :drinkers:

Glued the oil pan back on and sprayed on a quick coat of some fresh black paint. The pan was a little scratched up so this should keep it from rusting:

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Stock as stock can be aside from deleted balance shafts, we'll see what happens. New rear main seal, new front crank seal, oem water pump off my blown motor and oem front case/oil pump off my old motor. Hopefully I can get at least a few 10 second passes out of her :) .
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Good stuff man.

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Looking good Dustin

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A little update on my stuff:

Got the HX40 all bolted up in the BEP turbine housing so it's ready to go.

Got a -12AN fitting welded to my oil pan and I drilled out the hole in the pan to match:

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MAP H11 Tool Steel L19 head studs:
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The head before it's final cleaning before installation. I had two exhaust manifold stud holes stripped so I heli-coiled them.
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Head installed and torqued down to 95 ft/lbs using moly lube. Went with a 4 layer MLS head gasket with this motor.
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looking good. Its impressive what a stock 6bolt will do. LOL

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Illeagle wrote:
looking good. Its impressive what a stock 6bolt will do. LOL


We shall see :D I plan on pushing this one to the limits!

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9'S OR BUST!

looking good man, hope to see it running soon!

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Working on the bitch slow and steady. Decided to reroute the harness and do a little wire tuck while the engine bay is readily accessible. I pulled the main harness apart where it bolts to the stock intake manifold since I'm going to be running FRH manifold now. I got rid of all the old, brittle and cracking wire loom. I separated the CTS, CAS, TPS, fuel injectors and ignition plugs & wiring... that was fun :rolleyes:

The plan is to run the CTS, CAS and TPS wiring around the passenger side of the motor (follow heater hoses) instead of wrapping all the way around the drivers side. That way I can can hide the injector harness under the fuel rail and not have the rest of the harness wrap around the head and make it's way over to the thermostat housing. I had to shorten the wires for the coolant temp sensor, CAS and TPS so I made sure to solder and heat shrink the connections. In addition to looking cleaner, it should make it a lot easier to disconnect and pull the motor in the future. I bought some new loom so once I re-loom the wiring and route everything I think it will turn out pretty nice. Shit, now that I've gone this far I'm really contemplating filling unused bolt holes and repainting the engine bay. Ehh that's more work than I really want to do at this point so we'll see if it actually happens. :?

Here's how it looked a couple days ago. It looks better than this now as I hadn't shortened any of the wiring or cleaned anything at this point.
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Bought the Kiggly Racing 5 disk upgraded front clutch kit for the auto trans. The trans should be pretty stout at this point! According to Kiggly: A stock auto with upgraded end/front clutches, welded center diff, shift kit and full line pressure should live comfortably into the 9 second range. Next on the list is a TansLab shift kit and some valvebody modifications.
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Now I need to figure out what to do with my battery. I'll no longer be able to run a stock sized battery in the stock location with the aftermarket intake manifold. So... I've been kicking around a few ideas and I really don't want to relocate the battery to the trunk for a couple reasons:
1. I don't want to deal with the voltage/amp drop issues.
2. I don't want to run a kill switch on the back of the car to pass tech at the track.
3. I'm cheap and to do it right it's going to cost more than I want to spend on the damn battery
^^Okay this is probably the main reason and maybe should have been #1 :mrgreen:

I'm pretty sure I'm going to drop the battery down on the K-member and build my own battery tie down solution. Then there's the question of what battery to use?

1. I've been thinking about using a Civic battery as they are about half the width of an OEM battery, only cost $59 at walmart, 500 cca and just a touch taller than stock.

2. Then I've been considering going with a motorcycle type battery, the odyssey pc680 or something similar. It would be really easy to make a mount for one of these little bastards and will be easier to fit on the K-member with the bulky auto trans. The thing that turns me off is they are fuckin expensive and most of the reviews out there are less than great.

So, being the cheap bastard I am, I decided to do a little research and see what else was out there for a better price with comparable specs. Let me introduce you to Deka batteries: Deka Batteries

The model I'm considering going with is the ETX18L which is about the same size as the PC680 but has almost 100 more cca's, made in the USA, cost $40 less and I found a local distributor who has them in stock.

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